<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi,<div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 20.04.2015 um 13:27 schrieb Wolfgang Hrauda <<a href="mailto:wolfgang.hrauda@gmx.at" class="">wolfgang.hrauda@gmx.at</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Am 17.04.2015 um 17:51 schrieb David Fuhrmann <</span><a href="mailto:david.fuhrmann@gmail.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">david.fuhrmann@gmail.com</a><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">>:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Hi Wolfgang,<br class=""></blockquote><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Hi David,</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Thanks for your explanations!</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Am 17.04.2015 um 14:33 schrieb Wolfgang Hrauda <<a href="mailto:wolfgang.hrauda@gmx.at" class="">wolfgang.hrauda@gmx.at</a>>:<br class=""><br class="">Am 14.04.2015 um 18:38 schrieb David Fuhrmann <<a href="mailto:david.fuhrmann@gmail.com" class="">david.fuhrmann@gmail.com</a>>:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi,<br class=""></blockquote>Hi David,<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">+vlc_module_begin ()<br class="">+ set_description( N_("SOFAlizer") )<br class="">+ set_shortname( N_("SOFAlizer") )<br class="">+ set_capability( "audio filter", 0)<br class="">+ set_help( HELP_TEXT )<br class="">+ add_loadfile( "sofalizer-filename1", "", FILE1_NAME_TEXT, FILE_NAME_LONGTEXT, false)<br class="">+ add_loadfile( "sofalizer-filename2", "", FILE2_NAME_TEXT, FILE_NAME_LONGTEXT, false)<br class="">+ add_loadfile( "sofalizer-filename3", "", FILE3_NAME_TEXT, FILE_NAME_LONGTEXT, false)<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I do not really like such kind of stuff. Why three file names? If you want to switch to a fourth file, you are screwed. And with this its really hard to integrate it in any UI (for providing on-the-fly change of the file).<br class=""></blockquote>Thanks a lot for your thoughts on this!<br class=""><br class="">Just to make sure, we're talking about the same thing, I'd like to explain, what we are doing and why:<br class="">The SOFA files contain HRTF data which are very individual to each person. And the psychoacoustic effect of the binaural rendering ( which is done in our module) is very sensitive to what HRTF set you use. Therefore it is absolutely important to be able to compare a few HRTF sets on-the-fly without interruption in the playback. E.g., going through a file open dialogue for changing files, would be a too long interruption of playback,<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Well, an open dialog in the GUI does not pause any audio playback.<br class=""></blockquote><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Ok, that's good. But the most common usage will (probably) be to switch forth and back between two or three different HRTF sets for comparison. So, we'd prefer not to use open dialogs during playback, at all.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">because the auditive impression would already vanish, making an accurate comparison impossible.<br class="">E.g. if you had your own HRTF data set measured, you might need to compare different post-processing versions of it. And if you don't have your own HRTF set, you need the select one that gives you a good effect, which is quite tricky and unpredictable.<br class=""><br class="">Therefore, three SOFA files (each containing one HRTF set) can be defined in the advanced settings. All their data is loaded during opening of the audio module. This allows for almost seamless switching between the three different HRTF sets in the UI.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">How do you plan to do the switching? Just a combo box to select variant1/2/3?<br class=""></blockquote><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Currently, it's a slider with three possible positions.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I agree that three is an arbitrary choice, but I think in this context it is a good choice.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Did you tried one variable, and on-the-fly reconfiguration in a variable callback? I think this would be better, and thats what variable callbacks are for.<br class=""></blockquote>I admit I do not understand exactly, how this would work!? How would the user change between files, then? Would it mean that a file open dialogue would pop up each time the user wants to change to a different file?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">This is not about how you implement the GUI. Even with one variable for the „current HRTF file", you can still implement a combo box in the GUI, for selecting predefined presets, instead of an open dialog.<br class=""></blockquote><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I see. With one variable for the current HRTF file, how could the user change the "predefined presets" (i.e. selecting other files to compare between)?</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">For example:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Imagine I had my personal HRTFs measured and got two different files with different post-processing of the measurements. How would I (as a user) point SOFAlizer to them (e.g. in the settings) and then switch forth and back between them in the module's GUI (in your ideal implementation)?</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Well if they can be an arbitrary number of files, the best way is to manage a list of files as well. IIRC VLC also has the notion of a string list, but this might be a bit more complicated.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I do not know these files so I don’t know how often it actually happens that you change the files or load more than three.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Keeping in mind what I wrote above (our goal is seamless switching between files during playback), do you think the variable callback approach would work?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I understand your need here. Question is: How long does it take to load and parse such an HRTF file? Its probably quite fast, and then it should be fine to use a callback. I mean who cares if the switch to the new HRTF file happens only 20 ms after you clicked something in the GUI.<br class=""></blockquote><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">As Piotr Majdak wrote in his answer (17th April), the files might even get in the range of GBs.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I just did a quick test loading an 80 MB reverberant HRTF file (also contains room information): It takes something like 1.1 seconds to load, which means there would be quite some noticeable delay in the reaction to the user input, even with that files size. And this file only covers source positions (i.e. virtual loudspeaker positions) in the horizontal plane…</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Thanks for the feedback. >1 seconds might be too long indeed.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>But for now, I think the issues I mentioned are not the most important ones, and they are not meant to block your patch from my side. Its probably better to address the other comments first.</div><div><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote><div>The only thing I’m still not sure is if the functionality is for such a general audience that it justifies integration into the GUI already as you need to set up / download extra files. (also with respect of other GUIs like for Mac OS)</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>David</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>