[vlc-devel] VLC and Windows

[Tony Anecito]

Hi Rafael,
I agree with Bill. And I have asked for help and
usually get the response "change to a different build
system" or "sorry our build environment is not Cygwin
but we cross compile for windows" YET the dlls they
claim to have built are NEVER EVER made avialable for
distribution for testing. So I continue to struggle
with every change that is made and spend weeks getting
a windows build (maybe). I have spent weeks when my
builds work helping the team fix windows and java bugs
that do go into the builds.

I like some others do work in the CORP environment and
changing the build environment so rapidly is looked
upon in a very negative manner. I have also worked for
23+ years doing software development and understand
the need of what you ask but like Bill I see a 50%
windows user base in the forums and wonder the risk of
of losing people supporting development of that
platform by removing or changing drastically the build
support.

All I want is the dlls that the Linux group (JVLC)
claims to have built for windows yet never distribute.
I have asked repeatedly and was met with silence
(probably from what I have seen thier builds really no
longer work). Remember, I am the windows developer who
suggested fixes but if I do not have stable
environment to work in then I can not help the team.

Regards,
-Tony

--- Rafaël Carré <funman at videolan.org> wrote:

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> Bill Dolson a écrit :
> > I would be interested to know the percentage of
> total VLC downloads
> > which are for Windows.  The Videolan website even
> features the Windows
> > download on the home page.  I'm sure it is a vast
> majority and it is
> > just downright disingenuous to not support a build
> on the most popular
> > user platform.  You are using the Windows
> community to pump up your open
> > source download figures, but don't want to support
> them at the build
> > level.  That is the sort of regressive
> balkanization which ultimately
> > just serves to isolate the Linux community.  It
> also underscores an
> > attitude in the Linux community that Windows users
> are just key-stabbing
> > morons who are too stupid to handle a Linux
> install.
> 
> It's not the point.
> We're not talking about the users, or about stopping
> Windows support.
> 
> It's all about compilation.
> 
> > I am forced to develop for Windows due to legacy
> applications which I am
> > trying to get my client to migrate to Linux.  In
> the meantime, having to
> > build under an emulator or another Linux box would
> just add another
> > layer of hassle and potential problems.  Sure it's
> a hassle to support.
> > Welcome to the real world.
> 
> MSYS is a UNIX emulation, as well as cygwin, and
> both seem to cause
> problems.
> So I propose to change the layer, by emulating the
> hardware machine, and
> install a real UNIX system to *compile*
> 
> > I am building 0.6.8b on Msys using the contrib and
> after I fixed a few
> > problems it works fine.  I posted my problems on
> the list.  Had worse
> > problems with 0.6.8c and didn't have the time to
> sort it.  I intend to
> > fold my changes back into the current trunk once I
> am finished and then
> > submit the patches.  I prefer not to try to hit a
> moving target.  
> 
> That's the problem, noone wants to maintain
> cygwin/msys environments.
> While the patches you make at your home are not
> integrated in the trunk,
> loads of windows users, who "are just key-stabbing
> morons who are too
> stupid to handle a Linux install" are failing to
> build VLC, and ask for
> an help they don't get.
> 
> That's mainly because there is a very few (1 or 2)
> developers using
> Windows, and they don't have time left on support.
> 
> Come on let's help them, by providing a CLEAN and
> WELL TESTED as well as
> MAINTAINED build environment, UNIX.
> 
> > While
> > you are right about Msys, that's what is
> "supported" on the wiki.  I
> > look forward to Tony's results with Cygwin, which
> I prefer.  Curiously,
> > the "supported" Windows build environment for
> ffmpeg (which I am also
> > hacking) is also Msys.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> > 
> > Mark Moriarty wrote:
> >> As a historical note, as of back in 2004 Msys was
> already regarded as a
> >> dead-end, not recommended, environment to build
> VLC, with Cygwin being
> >> solid, consistent. 
> 
> I tried once both environments and built
> successfully vlc with both.
> So I don't know how they are maintained today, and
> how difficult it is
> to build VLC in it.
> 
> Maybe you can put it clear on the wiki that MSYS is
> dead ?
> 
> - --
> Rafaël Carré
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