[vlc-devel] VLC and Windows

[Tony Anecito]

Hi Rafael,
If you come out with instructions for a stable easy to
create a build environment I will try it. Just the
initial time of getting one working (Cygwin) made me a
little cautious about trying anything else. Something
about getting a product out the door and the amount of
time on just the VLC integration portion makes me a
little frustrated.

Regards,
-Tony

--- Rafaël Carré <funman at videolan.org> wrote:

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> Bill Dolson a écrit :
> >> It's not the point.
> >> We're not talking about the users, or about
> stopping Windows support.
> >> It's all about compilation.
> > 
> > My point is that there are Windows users who
> want/need to compile.  I 
> > feel that if you do not support Windows
> compilation you are really not 
> > supporting Windows.  And I am sure this us by far
> your largest user base 
> > (a sad fact indeed).
> 
> We can't support that as nobody in the team can do
> that.
> 
> >> MSYS is a UNIX emulation, as well as cygwin, and
> both seem to cause
> >> problems.
> >> So I propose to change the layer, by emulating
> the hardware machine, and
> >> install a real UNIX system to *compile*
> > 
> > So long as it is stable, stable, and stable.  I
> have no experience with 
> > the specific emulator you mentioned.  I'm afraid
> of adding another layer 
> > of complexity.  I almost would rather just use my
> Linux box and cross 
> > compile like the developers.  Considering that for
> when I merge with the 
> > trunk.  In the mean time it is just a PITA to
> constantly go back and 
> > forth between boxes.
> 
> qemu is a well tested emulator, I agree this a big
> change, that's why
> I'm trying to document it a bit.
> 
> >> That's the problem, noone wants to maintain
> cygwin/msys environments.
> >> While the patches you make at your home are not
> integrated in the trunk,
> >> loads of windows users, who "are just
> key-stabbing morons who are too
> >> stupid to handle a Linux install" are failing to
> build VLC, and ask for
> >> an help they don't get.
> > 
> > There was little if any patching required to get
> an Msys build, mostly 
> > finding errors or omissions on the wiki.
> 
> I'm afraid the list of required packages is maybe
> not updated.
> 
> >> Come on let's help them, by providing a CLEAN and
> WELL TESTED as well as
> >> MAINTAINED build environment, UNIX.
> > 
> > If it works and is stable I'm all for it.  Has
> anyone actually gone 
> > through the exercise of trying it and doing a
> build on the emulator?  Is 
> > it "should work" or "does work"?  I also have some
> concerns about 
> > emulator compilation speed.  If someone does some
> spade work I'll 
> > test/use it.  For sure Msys is obsolete and Cygwin
> is what it is.
> 
> My build just finished, and I've the list of the
> required packages to
> install.
> The proof:
>
http://people.videolan.org/~funman/build_vlc_for_windows_in_qemu.png
> 
> I made 2/3 fix to the contribs while building it,
> and here are the
> remaining problems:
> 
> * as you can see on the screenshot 128MB of memory
> seem to not be enough
> to make the .7z package, but that is trivial.
> * I rebuilt entirely the contribs, I didn't test
> with jb's pre-built
> contrib packages.
> * I did not run time mesures
> * I should make some screenshots to help installing
> debian etch.
> * I should write clear instructions on the process,
> etc..
> 
> Help is welcome.
> 
> I'll put on my home page what i've done already and
> let you know this
> evening, but there is absolutely no formatting, nor
> english sentences.
> 
> >> I tried once both environments and built
> successfully vlc with both.
> >> So I don't know how they are maintained today,
> and how difficult it is
> >> to build VLC in it.
> >>
> >> Maybe you can put it clear on the wiki that MSYS
> is dead ?
> > 
> > I think that would be a mistake until there is a
> stable, documented 
> > alternative.  Adding some caveats to the wiki
> might be appropriate, as 
> > in "don't try this for fun...  unless you are an
> experienced 
> > developer...  don't ask us for help...  something
> new is coming..."
> 
> I fully agree with you.
> 
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
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