[vlc-devel] Fwd: Re: VLC and Windows

Mon Sep 24 00:32:16 CEST 2007

--- Tony Anecito <adanecito at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:28:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tony Anecito <adanecito at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [vlc-devel] VLC and Windows
> To: rdenis at simphalempin.com
> 
> Hi Remi,
> 
> Just back from a weekend holiday and noticed your
> response. There seems to be some misunderstanding.
> 
> 1. I am using VLC outside of CORP. This is NOT for
> CORP but I am doing a project to help kids all
> around
> the world and have refused funding from CORP for
> many
> years when they see what I want to do.
> 
> 2. I understand the VLC breaking part even though it
> happens frequently.
> 
> 3. I work from 10:00PM to sometimes 3-4AM on my own
> time helping fix issues and test not only on VLC but
> other open source projects. Soemtimes I go for a
> week
> or longer and get very sick physically but I am
> doing
> it for the kids who I feel are well worth being sick
> 2
> weeks out of four.
> 
> 4. I never said anything about a download counter or
> how VLC operates on Windows so not sure where that
> comment is coming from. All I mentioned is that
> there
> are quite a few people in the Windows forums perhaps
> comparable to the others.
> 
> 5. I understand your frustration about Microsoft
> software but it is a major player and some of us
> have
> to live with it under certain conditions.
> 
> I can understand your overall frustations with
> comments from time to time but if we always said
> projects or products were perfect I would be the
> first
> to question that statement. I worry about Yes people
> who never speak up to tell the truth or thier
> feelings
> about a service or product. Products never evolve if
> nobody ever gives feedback and we might still be
> using
> Windows 1.0 or DOS. 
> 
> I hope you are feeling better.
> 
> Regards,
> Tony Anecito
> Founder,
> MyUniPortal
> 
> --- Rémi Denis-Courmont <rem at videolan.org> wrote:
> 
> > Le Friday 21 September 2007 20:57:42 Tony Anecito,
> > vous avez écrit :
> > > Hi Rafael,
> > > I agree with Bill. And I have asked for help and
> > > usually get the response "change to a different
> > build
> > > system" or "sorry our build environment is not
> > Cygwin
> > > but we cross compile for windows" YET the dlls
> > they
> > > claim to have built are NEVER EVER made
> avialable
> > for
> > > distribution for testing. So I continue to
> > struggle
> > > with every change that is made and spend weeks
> > getting
> > > a windows build (maybe). I have spent weeks when
> > my
> > > builds work helping the team fix windows and
> java
> > bugs
> > > that do go into the builds.
> > 
> > This strikes me as "your entire fault". When
> basing
> > your development work on 
> > the development tree of someone else, you do
> accept
> > that it will keep 
> > breaking.
> > 
> > > I like some others do work in the CORP
> environment
> > and
> > > changing the build environment so rapidly is
> > looked
> > > upon in a very negative manner.
> > 
> > I, like all others *currently* notable VLC
> > contributor work on my free time. I 
> > don't care for a company that uses my work, yet
> > fails to contribute to 
> > actually improve our project.
> > 
> > > I have also worked for 
> > > 23+ years doing software development and
> > understand
> > > the need of what you ask but like Bill I see a
> 50%
> > > windows user base in the forums and wonder the
> > risk of
> > > of losing people supporting development of that
> > > platform by removing or changing drastically the
> > build
> > > support.
> > 
> > In fact, I barely care about our download counter.
> I
> > do care that we improve 
> > the feature set of VLC and fix the design issues
> > (whatever the cost).
> > 
> > And I do not care how crappy the software may be
> on
> > Windows. To me, we are 
> > already investing more volunteer time into Windows
> > than we should. It strikes 
> > that Windows has been the singlest biggest source
> of
> > releases delays and the 
> > contrib became such a huge time shink for those
> who
> > maintain it.
> > 
> > Microsoft has deliberately chosen to make its
> > platform open-source unfriendly 
> > (except for Windows-only open-source software
> > perhaps). It should come to as 
> > no surprise that the Windows port is bad
> regardless
> > of the effort of 
> > Quovodis, JB, Xtophe, Meuuh and others into the
> > Windows port and/or the 
> > contrib, when it still provides such a
> ridiculously
> > and annoying non-standard 
> > API for just about everything.
> > 
> > To date, every major operating system but Windows
> > has standardized at least to 
> > some extent, atop the Unix/POSIX APIs. Even
> Symbian,
> > which is probably even 
> > more closed/proprietary than Windows does provide
> > better POSIX emulation (and 
> > VLC still does not support it).
> > 
> > > All I want is the dlls that the Linux group
> (JVLC)
> > > claims to have built for windows yet never
> > distribute.
> > > I have asked repeatedly and was met with silence
> > > (probably from what I have seen thier builds
> > really no
> > > longer work). Remember, I am the windows
> developer
> > who
> > > suggested fixes but if I do not have stable
> > > environment to work in then I can not help the
> > team.
> > 
> > It is your duty to stabilize your build system,
> not
> > ours. Especially if you 
> > are corporate, while we are volunteer. We owe you
> > nothing.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Rémi Denis-Courmont
> > http://www.remlab.net/
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>      
>
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