[vlc-devel] [RFC PATCH 09/13] FIXUP: implement audio/video/spu delay
Thomas Guillem
thomas at gllm.fr
Fri Jun 29 18:22:47 CEST 2018
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, at 18:05, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote:
> Sure. But the problem remains that, to handle "large" absolute delay
> values, you need to buffer the earlier ES more. And the only place
> that gives us free rein in buffering is the decoder FIFO (though ES
> output could do it). After decoder, we are constrained by available
> picture buffers and such, so we cannot buffer as much as we want.>
> And so we need to adjust the PTS before decoding.
Large delay is an issue that VLC always had and that is not fixed by
this set of patches. But I though we would handle that case when we
replace the input clock / buffering, no ?
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> Also, filters need the adjusted PTS otherwise there are intractable
> problems with dependencies between different ES.
Which problems ?
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> Le 29 juin 2018 17:39:25 GMT+02:00, Thomas Guillem <thomas at gllm.fr>
> a écrit :>>
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, at 17:20, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote:
>>> First, I don't see how that contradicts feeding decoders and filters
>>> with delay-adjusted PTS. At most, it means that VT cannot handle a
>>> variable adjustment for video PTS.>>>
>>> Second, it does not override the mathematical reality that we newd
>>> to adjust PTS before decoder FIFO to support non-small negative
>>> delays without losing the ES. And I care a lot more about that bug
>>> and the valid complaints about it than VT design bugs.>>
>> If you start an ES with negative delay, you just have to put a
>> positive delay to all others ESes. That is what the code is
>> already doing.>>
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>>> Le 29 juin 2018 15:05:31 GMT+02:00, Thomas Guillem <thomas at gllm.fr>
>>> a écrit :>>>> VT care:
>>>> "The behavior is undefined if samples in a CMSampleBuffer (or even
>>>> in multiple buffers in the same stream) have the same
>>>> presentationTimeStamp. Can be NULL."
>>>> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/coremedia/1489513-cmsamplebuffercreateready?language=objc>>>>
>>>> and I don't want to take any risks with all different
>>>> implementation of MediaCodec/OMX.>>>>
>>>> (Because if you apply the delay before decoding, nothing prevent to
>>>> feed the same pts to a decoder).>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, at 14:21, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote:
>>>>> I cannot agree and I don't see why hw decodet should care about
>>>>> original PTS.>>>>>
>>>>> Le 29 juin 2018 15:02:50 GMT+03:00, Thomas Guillem
>>>>> <thomas at gllm.fr> a écrit :>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, at 12:44, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote:
>>>>>>> It boils down to which ES the original PTS are needed for. For
>>>>>>> instance, a timecode SPU source will need the original PTS of
>>>>>>> the video track>>>>>>
>>>>>> No it need the converted time of the video because the video can
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>>>>>>> not SPU (i.e. video + SPU delay). If you apply cross-ES delay
>>>>>>> after filters/sources, timecodes won't work.>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I can tell, cross-ES delay musyt be applied before
>>>>>>> decoder FIFO and befote filters. So it can not be done in output
>>>>>>> clock - that's too far downstream.>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before Decoder FIFO ? It will fail with some HW decoders...
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>>>>>>> Le 29 juin 2018 13:29:52 GMT+03:00, Thomas Guillem
>>>>>>> <thomas at gllm.fr> a écrit :>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, at 12:18, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I expect major problems with SPU and with audio visualization
>>>>>>>>> if the original PTS are not shifted, but the output times are.>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What kind of major problems ? I tested this set and fount out
>>>>>>>> that SPU delay synchronization was really improved.>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Le 29 juin 2018 12:55:20 GMT+03:00, Thomas Guillem
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