[dvblast-devel] dvblast & remote CAM decoding

Wed May 30 15:15:58 CEST 2018

Ahmed,

you are partially correct and partially not.

There are two types of pairing:
- between decryption card and CAS (module or box directly)
- between CAS (module) and Host (box) - only available in CI+

If the module is CI (not plus) we can be sure it will work in devices
described above.
If the module is CI+ it can be paired with specific device and the
content provide can control this thus there is a possibility it won't
work.

2018-05-30 15:05 GMT+02:00 Ahmed Ramze <ahmedramze at gmail.com>:
> Hi all
>
> as I told you before its depend on your CAS system , for example Normal
> Irdeto you can share the EMM/ECM via proxy server like CCAM or NewCSC etc.
> if you able to share it , then you can decrypt  the Stream.
>
> for Secure CAS (which its support chip peering (CARD read the de-crypt chip)
> which its installed inside the IRD or receiver.
>
> so to help you first we need to know type of CAS system use can support CCAM
> or any card sharing server.
> and also type of CAM how much PIDs support and bandwidth normal CAMs support
> 40Mb and 2-4 PIDs (two-four channels) and prof. CAMs support 6-8 Tv Channels
> depend on PIDs and bandwidth.
>
>
>
> and by the way , the IRDs its more cheap 8 S2 tunner with CI price around
> 1500-2500$  more cheaper from using PC with cards and more flexible and
> based on FPGA/SOC.
>
>
> I did some failed project with IRDETO secure CAMs
>
> i use this PCI cards
>
> https://www.tbsdtv.com/products/tbs6928se-dvb-s2-tv-tuner-ci-pcie-card.html
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Kieran Kunhya <kierank at obe.tv> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The Digital Devices CI module does support arbitrary data to the CI, yes.
>> I have one but not tested this functionality.
>>
>> Kieran
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 30 May 2018, 10:21 Doychin Dokov, <dokov at silistra.tv> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Ibrahim,
>>>
>>> If you are okay with a hardware solution, a Cisco D9824 IRD with MPEGoIP
>>> input/output enabled is what you need.
>>>
>>> - D.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Daniel Kučera <daniel.kucera at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ibrahim,
>>>>
>>>> the question here is, if you can find dedicated CI device for PC - I
>>>> doubt DD supports arbitrary data input to the CI (but I might be
>>>> wrong).
>>>> I've found this http://www.bsc-bvba.be/linux/dvb/ but it's 10 years
>>>> old and unfinished.
>>>>
>>>> Other way might be to use dedicated HW with proper IP input/output
>>>> cards and CI interface cards, e.g.:
>>>> http://www.sencore.com/product/stream-media-platform#.Ww5sF6mxWL4
>>>>
>>>> 2018-05-30 8:54 GMT+02:00 Ibrahim Tachijian <barhom at netsat.se>:
>>>> > Hello Daniel,
>>>> >
>>>> > You are on the right track.
>>>> > Like you said, the cam shouldn't care if the TS comes from network,
>>>> > tuner,
>>>> > asi etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > I envision a patch for tsdecrypt to be able to write and read to a
>>>> > stand
>>>> > alone CAM/CI such as the Digital Devices Single CI Slot.
>>>> >
>>>> > If anyone knows who might be able to write such a patch, please let me
>>>> > know.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, May 30, 2018, 07:54 Daniel Kučera <daniel.kucera at gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hello Ibrahim,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I think Ahmed is not right. In our solution we used the concept of
>>>> >> decoupled receiver and decryptor.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> One server was stuffed with tuners an running dvblast. It was
>>>> >> configured
>>>> >> to send both EMMs and ECMs to multicast group together with the
>>>> >> encrypted
>>>> >> channel data.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Other server without tuners but with powerfull CPUs was running
>>>> >> tsdecrypt
>>>> >> which received encrypted multicasts and decrypted them. It was
>>>> >> connected to
>>>> >> OSCam server and was also succesfully updating subscriptions on CA
>>>> >> cards
>>>> >> connected via PCSC readers.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I also wanted to test decrypt with CA modules but I haven't found
>>>> >> suitable, available and not very expensive solution (didn't spent
>>>> >> much time
>>>> >> on this).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anyway, I don't see a reason why it wouldn't work. The module has no
>>>> >> idea
>>>> >> if the TS comes from "internal" tuner, ASI, network, file or other
>>>> >> source.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dňa st 30. 5. 2018, 5:18 Ahmed Ramze <ahmedramze at gmail.com>
>>>> >> napísal(a):
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hello
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> its depends on the stream type almost not working for example if you
>>>> >>> can
>>>> >>> do it its mean you can decrypt stream remotely which its can you
>>>> >>> share its
>>>> >>> over multiple streams like what happened with CCAM or NewCAM
>>>> >>> servers.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Tunner and CAMs on new version of IRDETO and NDS etc the secure
>>>> >>> version
>>>> >>> (chip peering) must be together with Tunner
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> in details you can not read or send or modify EMM or ECM on server
>>>> >>> decrypt must be on CHIP not on server.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hope you understand that , we have same issue with OSN,beIN etc
>>>> >>> they
>>>> >>> use secure IRDETO.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Regards
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Eng.Ahmed Ramze
>>>> >>> CEO
>>>> >>> HighSpeedTelecom.Net
>>>> >>> +961-76688533
>>>> >>> +964-7804445566
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 30 May 2018, at 02:04, Ibrahim Tachijian <barhom at netsat.se>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thank you for your quick response.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We know that we can use a dvb adapter with built in CI. This was not
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> question in this case.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We would like to keep the CAM module and smart card remote, on a
>>>> >>> server
>>>> >>> which is not downlinking the channel.
>>>> >>> One such example would be, for example, to include support on
>>>> >>> tsdecrypt
>>>> >>> to interface with a CAM module such as the Digital Devices Single CI
>>>> >>> Slot.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Does anyone know if we can use a combination of software today? Or
>>>> >>> have
>>>> >>> the know how on how to develop software that can do this?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Please contact me then,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thanks,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:53 AM Ahmed Ramze <ahmedramze at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Hello
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> DVB-Last support CI interface its better to use the DVB Card with
>>>> >>>> CI ,
>>>> >>>> if you want to decrypt the output of dvblast you need to use
>>>> >>>> TSdecrpt
>>>> >>>> software but you will lost refresh PIDs (Signal) to update your
>>>> >>>> irdeto mabe
>>>> >>>> with 1 day or one week.
>>>> >>>> if you want better advice we have Professional IRDs with 8 DVB-S2
>>>> >>>> tunner each tunner with CI interface to use for decrypt the
>>>> >>>> channels and
>>>> >>>> support also MUX/PID/ remap  and output MPTS and 8 SPTS multicast
>>>> >>>> UDP or
>>>> >>>> RTP.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> any help you can contact me on info at highspeedtelecom.net
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Regards
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Eng.Ahmed Ramze
>>>> >>>> CEO
>>>> >>>> HighSpeedTelecom.Net
>>>> >>>> +961-76688533
>>>> >>>> +964-7804445566
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 30 May 2018, at 01:36, Ibrahim Tachijian <barhom at netsat.se>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Hey,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> It is possible to configure dvblast to forward the raw encrypted
>>>> >>>> stream
>>>> >>>> of a channel. This we know and this works very well.
>>>> >>>> What I do not know is how I can decrypt this stream using a remote
>>>> >>>> CAM
>>>> >>>> module.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Server1
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> dvblast running and sending the raw encrypted stream to
>>>> >>>> 239.200.0.1:1234
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Server2
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Holds the CAM module and smartcard
>>>> >>>> What kind of software can I run here that would read
>>>> >>>> 239.200.0.1:1234,
>>>> >>>> send the packets to the CAM module and return me the unencrypted
>>>> >>>> stream?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> We were thinking of using the Digital Devices Single CI Slot.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> DISCLAIMER:
>>>> >>>> We have official Irdeto2 CAM module and Smartcard from the
>>>> >>>> broadcaster
>>>> >>>> with proper licenses for re-broadcasting this particular channel.
>>>> >>>>
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