[vlc-devel] Re: VLC Mac OS X

Felix Kühne fk at aenneburghardt.de
Mon Oct 10 16:10:49 CEST 2005

Hi Vincent

On 09.10.2005, at 17:23, Vincent van den Heuvel wrote:

> Is this related to all metal buttons? otherwise we have to shift to  
> a different approach.
No, this isn't related to all metal buttons (although I would prefer  
aqua buttons, but that's my personal opinion. They would fit a bit  
better to our current button design, but since the whole world seems  
to like these metal-buttons, we can change that.). The problem is  
that the shape of the buttons and most important the design of the  
icons is identical, as Derk-Jan pointed out. (I attached you his mail  
at the bottom.)

My preferred position of your new buttons is at the bottom of the  
window actually, so they would replace our current popup-menu and the  
shuffle-checkbox. Since our entire controller-window uses aqua- 
buttons at the moment, I would prefer to put aqua-buttons there as  
well, but metal-ones should be fine too, if you like them more.
We don't need a new design of the volume-slider at the moment,  
because we are using the iTunes-like-slider already (this was  
implemented after 0.8.2, but you can check a current nightly build to  
have a look at it).

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> The Transparent PNG's aren't a problem, i didn't knew you guys  
> worked with single PNG resources.
> I normally deliver a Resource file or TIFF files (this approace has  
> all kind of advantages).
> But PNG it is ;-P

What are the advantages of tiff-files btw.? I know that rsrc-files  
are the old resource forks of the classic apps (and I'm pretty much  
against picking them up again), but what's the point of tiffs except  
that you can merge different images to a single file and therefore  
have less files in your bundle?

On 10.10.2005, at 13:51, Vincent van den Heuvel wrote:
> Do we have a roadmap/milestone schedule???
Indeed. Our first beta version 0.8.4-test1 was released on September  
26 and a second one is following as soon as possible. We hope to  
release the final version at the end of october. It would be nice to  
have your new buttons in that version already.

> Hope you guys like it!?
Your new drafts are really nice. I would prefer thicker lines  
concerning shuffle and repeat, but except this, I like them. About  
the volume-slider, see above please. I prefer our current one actually.

Thanks for your affords.

Best regards,

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Derk-Jan Hartman <hartman at videolan.org>
> Date: 10. Oktober 2005 11:01:53 MESZ
> To: vlc-devel at videolan.org
> Subject: [vlc-devel] Re: VLC Mac OS X
> Reply-To: vlc-devel at videolan.org
>>>> Unfortunately, we cannot use your buttons in the next version of  
>>>> VLC. Their design is too close to the buttons of Apple's iTunes.  
>>>> Since Apple, Inc. owns a copyright on the design (they own even  
>>>> patents on the iTunes design...), we are legally not permitted  
>>>> to use your button set.
>>> That's ridiculous.  Do you have this from a legal authority or an  
>>> apple person?  I would have thought they would encourage  
>>> consistency under the Mac environment. The current VLC version's  
>>> buttons look exactly the same as the QuickTime player. I don't  
>>> see why using Vincent's great design is a problem.
> On 10 okt 2005, at 01:17, George Bray wrote:
>> On closer inspection they do look like exact copies from iTunes.   
>> I love the Button Playlist though.  Vincent, are they your work?
> That's different. First of all the symbols used in the left side of  
> the controller are so common, Apple would never dare to claim  
> anything on that. The buttons they are contained within are also  
> uniformly found within the OS. And more importantly, they are not  
> bit-exact copies. They were handcrafted to LOOK like the buttons  
> used in iTunes. but they are NOT. (copyright etc etc etc).
> The buttons in the right of the controller are all uniquely  
> designed for VLC. and not by Vincent, but by a well known icon  
> designer. However this person is now a lot more busy and doesn't  
> seem to have the time to create additional buttons. (i asked him  
> several times).
> Vincents buttons seem to come DIRECTLY out of the resources of  
> iTunes, which is simply not acceptable for iTunes specific artwork.  
> (which the shuffle button for instance clearly is)
> There is nothing wrong with consistency, but this is infringement  
> of Apple's Copyright and they usually are less pleased about that.
> DJ
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