[vlc-devel] VLC 1.0.0 release plan

[hannes_b at gmx.at]

Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote:
> Le dimanche 7 décembre 2008 21:48:42 hannes_b at gmx.at, vous avez écrit :
>> what about the plugins for ie and mozilla
> 
> I must have missed your patches. Please post them again.

no patches from me...

>> and others on all platforms?
>> i didnt use vlc since i switched to ubuntu
>> because there are no actual packages, or i cant find them.
> 
> What the heck? That's an Ubuntu issue!

which needs some kind of fix. 0.9.4 is the last version in the ubuntu repository. lack of actual packages for ubuntu are a problem on its own... i only mentioned it because on the vlc website in the download section it is referred to the package manager. maybe a hint how people can download a deb or rpm package and install it would be useful... especially for people who know vlc from their usage on windows und want to use an actual version... ;)

>> recently the biggest german speaking it site
>> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Wieder-Luecke-in-VLC-media-player--/meldung/
>> 119685 said it is better to use another player because of all the security
>> holes in the recent times and for several years they recommended vlc
>> because it is safer than the others. systematically test for security
>> problems!
> 
> You are welcome to review the code.

not from me...

> None of the security discolures over the last three years (in other words, 
> ever since we did not have any before 2006) were found in code that _I_ 
> wrote. I cannot force other developpers to not write and commit crap. OTOH, I 
> did _uncover_ a bunch of security issues myself, and I was the one addressing 
> almost all of the report.

did i say something against you? NO! i only said, to put a 1.0 label on vlc isnt a good idea at this state. thats my opinion as im a fan of good working software and not a number junkie who gets a high the higher a number is.

my suggestion is only to make some standard tests which should be done automatically via scripts.

> Hence, I very much appreciate your lack of tact (to not say ingratitude). 
> Thanks very much, I really needed to be further demotivated.

it wasnt my intention to demotivate you. i very much appreciate your and the work from all the others like jb and so on! is the 1.0 some kind of carrot for you? is the 1.0 your motivation? is vlc with the 1.0 tag finished for you? i hope not! i hope your motivation is fun to be part and drive one of the best open source programs which has millions of happy users... 

>> fix the bugs
>> http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=53530
>> some streams http://www.di.fm/ for testing
>>
>> http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52812
>>
>> and others...
> 
> I could not find the patches.

not from me as i mentioned...

> For the record, looking at statistics from the last few weeks, we have a grand 
> total:
> - one active developper (Laurent), and
> - about 5 somewhat active ones (AFAIK, all Linux guys),
> - a few tens of other guys.

shows the great talent and effort of you and the gang! :)

> In fact, I would not be surprised if 1.0.0 is Linux-only.

personally i dont have a problem with that...

>> better 0.9.1000 which is REALLY good and people love to use it and
>> recommend it to thers because of its qualities than to have 1.0 with lots
>> of bugs and security problems and people go to switch to other players.
>> dont forget, 1.0 will bring A LOT of attention to vlc, if it is not good
>> and the problems not fixed a lot of people will send "nice" mails and post
>> in the forum and anywhere else about their bad experience.
>>
>> i used vlc for so many years that i cant remember when i started to use it
>> as the only program for all videos and streams. since 0.8.6 it is going
>> downwards, there is a lot missing since that version.
> 
> Do you realize that two 0.9-vanished features of the those that are most 
> vehemently and loudly complained about, were removed due to being a big 
> security hole in itself (the playlist extended options), and causing crashes 
> (embedded video output)?

beside of shoutcast and shoutcast tv i never used the playlist and this feature of it works...

> There is a French proberv whereby one cannot have both butter and the money 
> for said butter.

true :)

> But maybe you'd rather we dump VLC development altogether than ship 1.0 as is, 
> or stop ever doing releases (like FFMPEG)?

better do it like you are doing it now, 0.9.xyz and so on and tag the finished 1.0 when it is done...

best regards as always and a cheers on you and many thanks for your tremendous effort as motivation! :)