[vlc-devel] [vlc] Christmas Icon

[Michael Frederick]

Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded.

BTW: I'm an atheist and not offended by Santa hats, grow up.

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Kyzivat <kamaji at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:51 AM
To: Mailing list for VLC media player users <vlc at videolan.org>
Cc: vlc-devel at videolan.org
Subject: Re: [vlc-devel] [vlc] Christmas Icon

Disclaimer: I am not a member of the VLC development team.

Your request is sort of like demanding that an acquaintance of yours
whom always makes delicious cake for a recurrent party with a symbol
you find offensive, and demanding that they omit it.

* They publish the recipe, so you could indeed make it for yourself,
and omit whatever you wish, though you would need to be slightly
familiar with baking to do it.
* They aren't charging even a cent for it (though that should not matter)
* There are plenty of other cakes you can choose from

On the internet, as is in some places around the world, it is
generally accepted that people have freedom of speech - to express
their thoughts and opinions.  What you are demanding is for the VLC
team to suppress their thoughts and opinions. That is wholly
unacceptable. They are not hurting anyone, and I do not see how it
could be considered hate speech in any sort of way.

Sure, one could contact the ISP and ask them to put pressure on the
team or shut down the VLC website, however, I highly doubt an ISP
would do such over these matters.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure there are plenty of VLC users that are not
christian that find the Christmas holiday a fine occasion to
celebrate.

If you don't want to see the symbol, you could do a variety of things:
* Check out the vlc sources, disable or change the Easter egg code,
and build it yourself.
* Stop using vlc.
* Change the date on your computer.

~Keith

The VLC team may be looking for help, but I imagine they would
appreciate like-minded help, and the product they put out shapes the
people that come to help, Santa hat icon and all.

On Friday, December 18, 2009, Rob Whelan <rob-jc at charter.net> wrote:
>
> Mr. Kempf,
>
> I do not believe I ever stated that a Santa hat is a religious symbol.
>
> What I did state is that it is a symbol for a specific holiday that is by
> definition a Christian one.  A dradle is not a religious symbol but is used
> almost exclusively to celebrate Hanukkah. We do not have the option of
> inserting one of those into VLC. The choice to place this holiday in a
> special place above others and then hard code that into the software is one
> made by the development team.
>
> It would be nice to be able to disable the icon.  To emphasize one religious
> occasion over all others (even using a secular symbol) may not be in keeping
> with good global policy.
>
> Your response in assuming I can't read wikipedia and also telling me where
> and where not others should see images that refer to religious matters is
> somewhat insensitive and inappropriate for a team asking for global help in
> furthering its project.
>
> I would respectfully ask the team to reconsider its decision in this matter
> and provide some means of removing references to religious occasions that
> are not shared by a vast number of users around the world.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 04:23:26PM -0500, Rob Whelan wrote :
>> Is there a way to remove or disable the Christian holiday Easter egg?
> Many
>> users (myself included) are not Christian and feel that this icon is
>
> This is not a Christian reference.
>
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus
> and "Christians say the Santa tradition detracts from the religious
> origins and purpose of Christmas."
> and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus#Christian_opposition
>
>> Is there a way I can remove this icon from my viewer without having to
>> recompile my own copy which is something far beyond the average user's
>> ability?
> No.
>
> You shouldn't see religious references everywhere.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Kempf
> http://www.jbkempf.com/
>
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