[vlc-devel] [WIP PATCH 0/4] Access module torrent/magnet
remi at remlab.net
Fri Jan 30 08:10:59 CET 2015
Le 2015-01-30 03:21, Jonathan Calmels a écrit :
> Well thats one point of view. I personally think that its a great
> feature to add.
> I dont see why VLC would get banned for the implementation of a new
No, that's not a point of view. That's a fact:
VLC would run foul of many corporate IT policies if it got peer-to-peer
download support, and possibly even the law in some restrictive
For the record, VLC is already found almost nowhere in corporate Japan
just because of DVDCSS inclusion.
> Sure, the Bittorrent protocol is often known for its use in piracy
> I dont blame say HTTP for serving illegal content.
There are a few minority legal use of BitTorrent, such as downloading
ISOs of free software. But that's not for VLC.
I know only two real movies legally available over BT, Big Buck Bunny
and Star Wreck. Only one of them is feature length. Neither of them
you'd particularly want to stream, when downloading them first will be
> Also, what do you mean exactly by the association of your name with
> this feature ?
VLC has always been about open-source multimedia and fair use. Playing
your DVDs abnd BDs is fair use. Streaming unlicensed content is Pirate
party politics, not fair use.
Beyond the explicit goal of the project and the association, we
normally strive to remain politically neutral. We have always refused to
include P2P feature because of this, and also because of the obvious bad
press. Unlike you and a whole lot of other people here, I do not have
the luxury to earn my living developping VLC. I can't just say that it
was just business: if I contribute it's a statement.
Personally, that is not a statement I am willing to make. I just don't
agree with the ideas of the Pirate party and I would much rather the
project did not drag me into politics.
Professionally, I do not want the risk of my name associated with a
project promoting almost exclusively illegal P2P downloads.
If push comes to shove, it means I will (have to) leave the project
completely at least on my free time.
>> Besides the Torrent protocol is optimized for downloading before
>> Sure, you can abuse the protocol to perform sequential live
>> reading, but what
>> is the point, over using HTTP then?
> HTTP was not designed to stream multimedia content either and
HTTP is a byte stream transfer protocol... Yeah, so HTTP 0.9 was meant
to replace Gopher and transmit hypertext. We are at HTTP 2.0 (or 1.1 in
VLC) now. But have you ever heard of HTML5, WebRTC, DASH or HLS? I was
under the impression that all those protocols were streaming media over
HTTP(S). Hypocrisy much?
> Bittorrent is built with decentralization in mind.
Way back when Napster was all the rage, there was probably some
technical sense in decentralized bandwidth use. Nowadays the Internet is
highly asymmetrical, and most people have very low upload limits. It no
longer makes any technical sense to do so. Decentralization à la
BitTorrent is only an evasion feature. The only reamining reason is to
help piracy, or worse, objectionable or illegal content.
Modern decentralization nowadays is done with anycast and
geographically distributed CDNs.
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