[vlc-devel] who's the right Windows build ?

[jboileau]

Please don't generalize. I have been testing and reporting problems on
win32 for 0.9.0 since last December, either on this mailing list, by
discussion on IRC or on Trac (last resort when others have told me it
is really a bug and not something in middle of developement). Sure I
also reported a problem in libvlc here on the mailing list last week,
but that is simply because I saw it last week, not because I started
testing last week. Since I am a user of libvlc more than VLC itself my
coverage of the UI for example may be more limited than others though.

One important point: people should be fully aware of what open source
means (at least to me), no guarantee that anything will be fixed just
because you report a problem! Reporting a problem is just information
we provide to the team. A service to the dev team who may concentrate
on other things than testing. It is not a request for someone to work
on it! The only way you can expect something you report to be fixed is
if you work on it yourself.

As for the win32 release not starting properly. This was unfortunatly
something that crept in at the last minute. I compiled and tested the
sources of 2008-08-21 and that started fine on win32. So I would say
that could not have been discovered much sooner that at the last
minute.

Jacques Boileau



On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Rémi Denis-Courmont
<rdenis at simphalempin.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:25:25 +0200, "hannes_b at gmx.at" <hannes_b at gmx.at>
> wrote:
>>>>> Third, I wonder how we are supposed to make a stable release
>>>>> when Windows users start testing and reporting only on the
>>>>> few days before the release...
>>>>> Nevermind that we announced the freeze 12 weeks ago, effective 10
>>>>> weeks ago.
>
>> so how you want feedback and tests?
>
> I don't recall announcing the freeze for the 1.0 branch. Did I? I don't
> recall any bug report mentioning that Windows crashed at startup in
> June/July, either. I *do* recall noting that August was the time for fixing
> 0.9 bugs, but not anymore for reporting them.
>
> And guess what, Windows users are testing the 1.0 early (now). That's OK
> but not very useful. And they're testing 0.9 way too late (since last
> week), which is outright harmful, as we get rushed crappy bug fixes.
>
>> thats the reason you did not get it.
>
> I don't care if people don't report Windows bugs. My life would actually be
> easier if they did not. Then we would not feel compelled to check them out.
> And we would not hopelessly try to fix bugs on a platform none of the
> active developers use.
>
> Nobody forces anybody to report quality bugs on Windows. But, as it
> happens, Win32 bug fixing time is a very very scarce resource in this
> project. The easiest you make it to fix Win32 problem, the better the Win32
> port gets. Yet, as far as I can tell, Windows bug reports are _overall_ the
> most untimely, the most obscure, the most difficult to reproduce (IMHO, at
> the other far end of the bug report quality spectrum are the Gentoo bug
> reports, credits to Mr Abalier in particular).
>
> My 2 cents
>
> --
> Rémi Denis-Courmont
>
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